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to be walking away from the negotiations that we've been engaged in here at the white house for a big deficit reduction and debt reduction package. we were offering a deal that caused for as much discretionary savings as the gang of six. we were calling for taxes that were less than what the gang of six had proposed. and we had -- we were calling for modifications to entitlement programs. this was an extraordinarily fair deal. if it was unbalanced, it was unbalanced in the direction of not enough revenue. nancy pelosi, harry reid, the democratic leadership, they sure did not like the plan that we were proposing to boehnor, but they were at least willing to engage in a conversation because they understood how important it is for us to actually solve this problem. and so far, i have not seen the capacity of the house republicans in particular to make those tough decisions. what a lot of the american people are so disappointed by is this sense that all the talk about responsibility, all the talk about the next generation, all the talk about making sacrifices, that when it comes to actually doing
. that would mean republicans get big spending cuts in exchange for zero tax increases. the president vowed that that wouldn't happen. tonight let's be an honest broker and make sure he keeps his word. >> i do not see a path to a deal if they don't budge, period. >> president obama drew a line on taxes last week. republicans are running out the clock, and it looks like the president is caving. senator sheldon whitehouse is here. one of the key figures in the news corporate fox hacking scandal is found dead, and there's more trouble in the united states for rupert murdoch. filmmaker robert greenwall on the latest. in psycho talk tonight. >> yes, they have the right to do that. that's not discriminating based upon religion against their particular religion. >> republican presidential hopeful herman cain has a warped understanding of the constitution. more anti-islam remarks from the godfather's pizza man. tonight, he's attacking another candidate on his religion. remember last week everybody was saying, well, the president is in such a good place right now. really? folks, as liberals we need
republicans in this fight than grover norquist. he's here to dish on the debt and deal in taxes. and big money, big problems? mitt romney's campaign is debt free, but where is all that money coming from? we'll tell you why it could add up to a little bit of trouble for the republican front-runner. good morning, it's monday, july 18th, 2011. i'm chuck todd. just 15 days until default day. let's get right to my first reads of the morning. it's a week of public spectacle and private wrangling. efforts to get a big debt deal done has failed. >> when you look in the past at agreements between divided government, it's taken leadership on both sides. it took reagan and o'neil. it took clinton and gingrich. the president is out there. he's willing to do it. he said it in the state of the union, he said it in the budget. the question is, do we have a partner to work with? and i hope the answer to that is yes. >> this week we'll see a two-track process. publicly, leaders will get a few votes out of the way to allow conservatives to get on the record on a balanced budget amendment and set the table that
guys to protect the fat guys and corporate jets and big super rich. you're expendable now, crack thinkers. don't you understand? they play you against the poor and you're skpentable now. let those guys handle it. they got to protect the big guys. >> now know, that is coming from john mccain whose campaign might be compared to custard, except custer's came out better than mccain's did. in 2012 a conservative will be elected so i think that will speak for itself. his his brand was she lacks in 2007 within 2008. mine won the house of representative by record numbers in 2010. >> yeah, but now your brand of conservative is told, get your butts in line. don't get too big for yourself. because you've done your job. you're saving the corporate jet guys. you're closing in making sure to protect the loops holes. now just shut up and let us handle it, we've got movies it watch. thank you judson phillips. thank you for being here with me. >> thank you for having me. >> hosts of the bill press show on sirius radio, gentlemen, it is quite interesting, looks like mr. boehner is trying to get a
of different ways. by the way, this is no big secret, it's not like i'm telling you something other people can't figure out very easily. but if you have one phone call another phone it creates a busy line. if you use a third phone to call in, it goes directly to the voice mail and if you don't have a pin, it's very easy to get somebody's voice mail. >> we talked about at&t. how vulnerable are they to getting hacked and do we need to make pin numbers mandatory in order to keep all of our phones safe? >> i think that's something to think about. right now the onus is on the consumer, it's on us to be proactive with our mobile devices to put that pin on there. you think of your smartphone these days. it's really like a small laptop. in my face it's almost as big as a laptop. but you store so much personal information on there that really the companies should be doing more for users, i would say, because they're such an extension of ourselves. because there's such critical information on there. you know, i don't want to single out at&t too much because all of the wireless carriers are aware that th
'm thomas roberts. rupert murdoch will testify at parliament tomorrow, this is the big headline, all over the phone hacking scandal that's rocking his media scandal. meanwhile there was a new arrest of a top exec over the weekend, and now the head of scotland yard and his assistant are resigning. if you're keeping score so far, there have been three high-profile resignations, ten arrests and it is not over yet. jim maceda is live in london to bring us up to speed on this. jim, good morning. >> reporter: hi there, thomas. make that four high profile resignations. just a couple of hours ago scotland yard's number two, john yates, also resigned under increasing, extraordinary, really, pressure. that on the heels on his boss's resignation last night. commissioner paul stevenson, he was the head of scotland yard. he, if you will, fell on his sword and said that he could not in good conscience continue with all the challenges to keep the peace in great britain as he and specifically his relationship with the murdock media empire became such a focus of attention. he was calling it a major distra
come back from europe, there's a disparages disbelief. last thursday there was a big meeting about the euro zone crisis. whatever you think of the plan they come up, however, they all came together, came up with a plafç to avert crisis. looking at washington's politicians and thinking, hey, hang on a minute, they're as -- >> didn't you run a bureau -- >> i was in italy last week in fact. the analogy is apt. the difference is the market shook italy two weeks ago into doing something. they pass add 40 billion euro austerity plan, because the market freaked out. >> and in england as well. we held that deficit reduction, because we were worried about the market. here? >> i want to go back to jonathan's point, and this is -- i think people are trying to understand the implications. because america is the reserve currency of the world, because all the oil, the commodities, everything that exists, that china sells to brazil, that saudi arabia sells to europe is priced in u.s. dollars. it is incredibly unclear to what the implication of not paying it, because it is the only currency. beyo
. you have a big group of new freshman republican members in the house. they are not budging. they're not listening to just about anybody. it's -- they're going on what they believe is a mandate with this big tea party election in 2010 and they haven't really budged. you're seeing business leaders on wall street saying do something, do anything. this group of freshman republicans aren't really budging. will it have been an impact heez emails and phone calls, who knows. it may mean that house republican leaders have to shift away from what these small group of freshman republicans want. we'll see if it has an impact or not. there's not a whole lot of time left. >> indeed. thank you so much. we will be talking with nbc's chuck todd in a few minutes. >>> the first tropical system of the year has fizzled out. tropical storm don has weakened into a tropical depression. the storm made landfall along corpus christie. it brought little relief to the record breaking heat in the lone star state. here's with your saturday forecast bill karins. good saturday morning to you, bill. >> all the hy
, but if a shrunken version of the boehner big does -- or if they go to an emergency extension, the president will be right back in the same predicament he's in right now. i think a lot of people are upset. they blame the republicans more than the democrats for the gamesmanship, but the fact is the republicans have also backed the president into a corner, even if they're doing it in a way that's not popular. >> i want you to analyze these two possibilities, one the president could give away more of the store, more spending cuts, maybe enough to get us thus this increase. which would make the redhots happy. no tax increase at all. the other possibility is to marry what boehner wants right now with what mcconned was talking about next year, where next year it can be are can be raised by the president, only the house would have to come back with a two thirds veto, so it seems there is a possibility for compromise, but the easiest thing is for the president to throw the whole bomb game, say, you win this year, not next year. >> i don't think he can do >> i don't think he can do that, chris. when
. the big, brand new nbc "wall street journal" poll, and the revived gang of six which the white house is seizing on to give new life to the president's push for a big deficit reduction deal. the bipartisan group's proposal is still in outline form. they would reduce the deficit by 3.7 trillion over the next decade, cutting discretionary spending, defense spending, overhauling entitlement programs, rewriting the tax code by lowering rates, getting rid of deductions that overall would generate a trillion dollars in those deficit cuts. the plan got an enthusiastic reception from the white house and senate rank and file. watch. >> we now have a bipartisan group of senators who agree with that balanced approach. we have got the american people who agree with that balanced approach. >> 49 senators came to the room, and you know what, there were no fist fights, there were no -- there was no swearing. >> i think they're creating a vital center on what is the most important issue facing the country. >> it is a great start and it has provided great leadership. >>> but senate leaders mitch mccon
delays the big vote indicating he does not have votes to pass it. it all raises the big question, has the tea party taken control of boehner's house? >>> plus, wouldn't you love to know what mr. economy thinks about all this? too bad. because mr. romney is not talking. how's that for leadership. >>> and waiting with wait until you meet the latest extremist to log on to perry's prayer route. i'm al sharpton. breaking news. boehner abruptly delayed a make or break vote on his own debt plan. the speaker frantically been trying to whip up support from tea party republicans all day long. it is an indication that he simply does not have the votes to pass his plan. it is unclear when the vote will happen. the fear here would be a stunning setback for his leadership and for the g oo p establishment as it battles with party members. joining me is nbc's luke russell live on capitol hill. luke, can you tell us what is happening here? >> good evening reverend al. an alarming piece of news that came to us about 15 minutes ago. democratic aides received word from the republican floor staff and in f
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. if you do nothing, you have a big jump in revenue. obama has been saying let's thai the bush tax cuts are going to lapse and we are going to extend the ones for the middle class. republicans are afraid to let him do that up front. it would kill momentum for a tax reform. >> but, but, but why just get rid of the bush tax cuts. if they are so awful, why not get rid of all of them. get rid of all of them for everybody. if tax cuts are the worst thing ever, the bush tax cuts, get rid of the bush tax cuts for everybody and raise billions in revenue. >> right. i think we could probably figure it out sitting around the table. i don't think it's that difficult. they are locked in in political terms. it's a much different issue to them. you can make rational compromises and deals here. the problem is, how do they do it. what's happening is they are at the point where they realize the consequences. at some point, they realize they have to do something other than hold the ground saying this is it. we're not going to change anything. we are at that point and we have little time to work with. >> h
>>> good wednesday everybody. i'm contessa brewer covering the big news coast to coast. the big story we're watching right now, debt, deficit, downgrade, deadlock. there's six more days until the august 2nd debt default deadline. really, does anybody think there's going to be a deal? >> it can pass the house and pass the senate. i hope the president will consider signing it into law. >> the speaker's proposal cannot pass the senate, will not reach the president's desk. >> another day, another delay as washington tries to come up with a debt deal. today's breaking news a bipartisan group did the math on both the duelling democratic and republican debt plans and both come up short on their projected savings goals. democrats put their bill on hold. while republicans scramble to rewrite theirs. >> things are very fluid. >> today's house vote tabled while gop leaders try to get reluctant freshman on board. >> i want a solution, not a deal. i don't think this goes far enough. >> does this keep us in the battle. >> john boehner has a group of people that believe their way is the correc
. >>> well, the big story today, debt-struction. a lot of political shenanigans, developments coming fast and furious,y might expect this afternoon. widely, the markets are expecting a deal of some findish even if it's a band thade doesn't do much. we'll see what it mean. good afternoon. i'm dylan ratigan. a mass of house votes on yet another revised version of speaker boehner's deal. all of these deal, lick nickels and -- the final vote won't come until later tonight if boehner can whip up the 216 votes to do the deal. couldn't do it yesterday. we start with luke rurt on capitol hill. mike viqueira on standby at the white house. we begin with you, luke. tell me about a tea party politician who ran for the congress in objection to the back room arm twisting where i say i'll take away funding for the bridge, the sochool, the hospital if you don't vote on this? people wouldn't tolerate that and i imagine they're saying i'll withdraw your funding if you don't say yes on this vote? >> the house gop banned earmarks. weren't of the reasons boehner didn't go to the floor. not aa lot to give away
, i'm up, big. >> that's a great reference at 5:340. luke, i'm impressed. you must have been up and had your coffee. help us what's going on luke. you covered the hill every single day. people who watched this who aren't like us, kind of nerds following every moment of this get home from work and they say what happened exactly today, are we any further than we were. how can beget toward a deal by next tuesday? >> well, the big news that came out from yesterday was that john boehner was having a great difficult getting to 217 votes, the majority in his house on his plan to raise the debt ceiling. then he got bad news from the congressional budget office, which is a non-partisan budget office that scores these bills which says that his plan, which claimed to have saved over a trillion dollars in spending over the next ten years really only saved about $850 billion. so it didn't save nearly as much as he said it did and it actually back ended a lot of the savings. so in the first few years there was only about $5 billion worth of savings which is not acceptable to a lot of the tea
republican presidential candidates have money problems. >> and big money, big problems? >> gop fund-raisers staying on the sidelines. >> for mitt romney it's 70% maxed out contributions. >> is newt aware he's running for president? >> the arrests continue as the british police close in on rupert murdoch's media empire scandal. >> every day we're seeing more inconceivable things happen. >> abandon ship. in the last 24 hours there have been two high level resignations. zo london's top cop. >> rebekah brooks was released on jail. >> rupert murdoch is supposed to face the scandal head on tomorrow. >> all eyes are trained on parliament tomorrow. >> they're cutting short a trip today to south africa. >> when is he going to do the decent thing and resign? >> congress now has 15 days to pass a bill to raise the debt ceiling before the united states government goes into a catastrophic default on august 2nd. today harry reid announced the senate will meet every day until the debt ceiling is raised. yesterday david rogers of politico discovered and reported that house speaker john boehner and
evening will be a big vote. the specific times aren't set, but we're into a series of days where these vote showdowns will be more and more important. a lot of the strategy will go behind the scenes. account various sides wrangle people to get them to their side? this will not be easy for either majority leader reid or boehner. >> kelly o'donnell for us, thank you. >>> joining me is congressman henry coyer and adam kinninger. gentlemen, good morning. congressman claire, the president asked the american people to call their congressmen, and we understand that some sites crashed, we're hearing that the server for the house is still down. what are you hearing? >> we're hearing from our constituents to make sure we don't have a default. we have to find a solution in a bipartisan way. i know there's two competing interests here, but i'm hoping that we get together and work something out. >> obviously congressman kinninger, a number of your colleagues said they would not support john boehner's plan, so i'm wondering if you will. >> well, i'll let every one of my colleagues speak for th
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to our financial markets. >> that is a big statement. house democratic leadership team coming out saying that. the house has rejected the 14th amendment solution. but we're still six days out. for leaders like mr. clyburn to go down that road gives the president some pretty good cover and a pretty good idea. the president doesn't want to overreach, but his base would love it. it's going to wipe out any discretionary cuts that would hurt low and fixed income americans. get your cell phones out, i want to know what you think. should the president invoke the 14th amendment to resolve the debt crisis? text a for yes, b for no to 622639 and can you always go to our new blog at ed.msnbc.com. >>> joining us now is donna edwards ofç maryland. she's a member of the progressive caucus. congressman elliott engle, jared nabler are holding a press conference to urge president obama to use the 14th amendment as a backup option. would you join those folks tomorrow? what do you think about the 14th amendment option right now? the white house has said repeatedly no, but the game could change. what do y
with the speaker of the house was a big deficit reduction package that wouldn't have a supercommittee. we would have done it right now. that wasn't possible. the speaker of the house pulled by the right wing of his party, walked away from it. but the president's going to be committed over these next few months, as i think members of congress need to be as well, that we need to finish the job here, and the way you're going to finish that job is to have a balanced deficit reduction package that doesn't harm the economy. >> let me ask you some other pressing matters. i've spoken to top figures on wall street who say this is a code red day, all hands on deck, preparing for a market shock as early as tomorrow. what is your message? what is the president's message to investors around the globe this morning? >> well, i think it is that we have to get this solved. today is obviously a critical day. we have to give confidence that there is a pathway to make sure that we both reduce the debt ceiling, and let's not underestimate the deficit reduction is an important part of this, so i think -- >> but that
is anything more than a big wet kiss to the right wing, and -- and i mean the tea party. that's who i mean. it's too bad his caucus is being run by such a small number of people. >> what will happen between this very moment and a potential vote tomorrow is anyone's guess in the town that is washington, d.c. amid all the bickering and tinkering, the nation is just six days away from a first ever general default, and the treasury reiterating in a statement moments ago there is no guarantee the government can meet all its obligations after an august 2nd deadline, so what are the remaining options for our dysfunctional government? nbc's kristen welker is at the white house and let's also bring in luke russert on capitol hill. kristen, we know both sides are crafting their budget deals, both trying to take the high road, but are there any signs that the differences between the two sides are narrowing, and does it seem as though they may conflate these two plans? >> reporter: well, at this point we don't have any indication that they are going to conflate the two plans. we should say there are, of c
's go now to washington. it's big news inside the beltway today. the latest debt deal broke down last night, but in just less than two hours now, lawmakers are iffing to be back at the white house to restart negotiations. the talks fell apart last night when john boehner walked away from the table blaming the white house for the failure. well, the president pointeded a finger at the gop. the two appeared at back to back news conferences. >> it is hard to understand why speaker boehner would walk away from this kind of deal if it was unbalanced, it was unbalanced in the direction of not enough revenue. the sdmroo the white house moved the goal post. there was an agreement with the white house and $800 billion in re new. it's the president who walked away from his agreement and demanded more money at the last minute. >> well, joining me now nbc white house correspondent mike vicara. good morning to you, mike. what is the big sticking point here? how did things go wrong so fast, or is that only our perception of it? >> yeah, you know, you are absolutely right. it just collapsed. these te
's going to play pretty big hardball on this to borrow a phrase, chris. seems to me he really is boehner's back. not just having boehner's back today or boehner's back tomorrow, but he's going to have boehner's back. the question is, can harry reid pry away seven or eight republicans to work with him? where does that happen? at this point i don't think you'll see any movement on a deal publicly, at the earliest, not until sunday. >> is the real fear not that there's a second effort to cut spending a bit more, but the second part of this spending cuts which would come at the end of this year, the vote on that, would actually cut to the bone. go after entitlements, medicare, after things the democrats treasurer jer is that the big fear? i think pelosi, former speaker, now democratic leader, was alluding to that in her very strong statement against the boehner plan tonight? >> reporter: that is one fear. you talk to democrats familiar with the way these negotiations have gone, and they'll say, look, this first $1.2 2r8 trillion, the first round ever cuts they have in their plans are almost
to agree on something balanced as long as it's big. in the house r there are republicans ideologically opposed to anything that increases revenue. now all the government deficit projections are based on the idea bush tax cuts expire for everyone, according to current statute, the end of next year. if you regard not only any change in the law that reduces the deficit as unacceptable but any failure to change the law is also unacceptable, then it's going to be very hard to pass anything through the house other than perhaps the mcconnell plan, without the savings in it. >> we're hearing from harry reid using the phrase, "time is of the essence," hearing that over and over again and taking us to the brink. do you get the feeling we are actually inching any closer to clenching a deal? >> i think the mcconnell proposal, with some savings we can all agree to, may very well end up being the package. it's very important to the president we have a 3.5, 4$4.5 trillion package. woe may not in this short time agree to more than a $5 million down payment and vague creation of commission goals, state
writes, get this, $80 million different checks. for everything from big ticket items like social security, veterans benefits, and nondefense contracts, to smaller payouts, to folks who are, for example, victims of black lung disease, or people who are railroad retirement board pensioneers. it's 80 million checks every single month. and, again, only about half the money they'll need to make good on all of those payments. so what does treasury do? who gets paid? who doesn't? laid out a possible scenario in which the treasury department only pays the following bills in august. interest on our debts, social security benefits, medicare and medicaid, defense contracts, and unemployment benefits. just paying those bills, just those, not everything we owe, just those, brings us to about $172 billion. which if you'll remember is all the money that they will have on hand. if only those programs get paid, here, my friends, is what doesn't get paid. military pay for active duty soldiers, veterans affairs programs, salary and benefit for federal employees, department of education, food services for lo
to happen here with rupert murdoch and his son james tomorrow? >> well, that is certainly, that is the big question. and rupert murdoch and his son james, and rebekah brooks, who are appearing before the select committee have to be so careful, and so careful in fact, that rupert murdoch's biographers saying he is in rehearsals and being coached by aides and he is walking a fine line, because on one hand, he is under oath, and so like he and his son and rebekah brooks, they can't lie. if they do lie, it is a crime. so they have to be careful what they say. they can't mislead this group, but at the same time, they don't want to give too much away either, because this is such a reprehensible difficult and negative story that any facts on how to what extent the criminality of how far it went up the ladder at any of the companies as the facts come out, it could well, we could well see a drop from the bottom just out of news corporation. today, already, tamron, we saw a 5% jump in news corp stock in australia. so that the wheels of this amazing story just keep rolling along, and you mentioned in
that she could catch fire. look, when you start this thing, when you win iowa, if you win iowa big, that thing starts rolling through new hampshire and south carolina, it's over in weeks. i agree 100%. >> how was she going in philadelphia suburbs? how is she going to do in the i-4 corridor and in wisconsin? how is she going to do in new mexico, arizona? i would suggest, with swing voters not well at all. >> there's no doubt if you nominate michele bachmann, it's an enormous risk. the only conditions, i think, under which i believe she could win the presidency, if people say, if they did in 1980, i don't care, i'm taking a chance with this guy because what we got we can't stand, you get 9% or 10% unemployment, two more years, this country is ready for a lot of change. more "morning joe" in a moment. with the hotels.com 48-hour sale, the possibilities are endless. interesting... save up to 50% this tuesday and wednesday only. hotels.com. be smart. book smart.  finally, there's a choice for my patients with an irregular heartbeat called atrial fibrillation, or afib, that's not cause
, people of the big banks were summoned to the meeting at a federal reserve bank here in new york and cnbc's bertha coombs has details for us. >> investors who buy u.s. treasuries buy them through banks, and this morning the treasury asked those bankers and dealers who help to sell the treasuries to investors to come in and talk about the situation as the debt ceiling limit looms. it was a regularly scheduled meeting, because on wednesday is normally the day that the treasury would announce the next action of debt, but obviously, that comes after the deadline. from bankers we talked to and senior treasury officials, they didn't really outline any contingency plans about what would happen if the debt ceiling deadline is not extended. a number of bankers have told me they anticipate what would happen is that those debt auctions would likely be postponed. we saw it happen back in 1995 when the government was shutdown. it was postponed for several weeks in terms of the auction, because essentially, if the government doesn't have the authority to increase that, then the treasury can't issue mor
anywhere between 80 to 100 members who are saying no. the road to 216 really becomes a big story if this is the deal. >> luke russert, thank you for telling it like it is. >> take care. >> for more on where the debt debate stands, check out the white house with david plouffe. it will reair on "meet the press" on 2:00 p.m. right here. >>> the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff admiral mike mullen told soldiers in kandahar if talks fail they still have to fight but might not get paid. >> plenty of you live paycheck to paycheck if paychecks stop, it can have a devastating impact pretty quickly. >> and then there at camp leather neck, mullen told marines, all services face cutbacks in size and possibly as well in military benefits. >>> as you heard from nbc's luke russert, the reaction is mixed on capitol hill to reports on the white house that the gop has reach aid deal. with signs of dissent on the left and right in the house of representatives. joining me now is eddie berniece from texas. good morning. where do you stand on things this morning? what are you hearing overall? >>
is it shows that the united states system is not set up to do big things. when a crisis like this comes up they cannot do a deal that would show stability to the world. >> ronald reagan and tip o'neal made big deals. in the 1990s, bill clinton and the republican congress made big deals. and mika, it's not over yet, but it has gotten to the point already that this is damaging the reputation of the united states the longer it goes, and i think we're talking about it damaging our reputation more every day that the crisis goes on. >> i think both sides would agree with that. after a weekend of meetings resulting in yet another impasse, president obama is canceling two fundraisers today to continue negotiations. senate majority leader harry reid said the talks broke down last night because of the republicans insistence on a short-term deal, and their plan would cut $2.7 trillion over the next ten years. officials say it raises the debt ceiling but no tax increases. and he salaid out his latest solution. >> there will be a two-stage possible. it's not physically possible to do this in one step.
with a balanced budget amendment. and it's going to be a big question mark as to how long mitch mcconnell will stay on that position and whether or not harry reid tables the boehner bill later today or tomorrow. there is no clear consensus on capitol hill over what they will do in order to raise the debt limit. there are ongoing negotiations between staffs, between mcconnell, reid, boehner all talking to some degree in unison. right now the gop wants to pursue the boehner plan which is a dead end in the united states senate. they're confident it's going to pass today. the rules committee meets at 12:50. john boehner said he was smiling as he left the meeting with his fellow members today, contessa. >> mike, let's go to you. we just found out from president obama's twitter page that he's even reiterating his request again for america people to call their lawmakers to demand a solution. the time for putting party first is over. if you want to see a bipartisan compromise let congress know. call, email, tweet and then he signs it barack obama. what's the white house hoping to accomplish by as
is not one of the big players in all of this. he has taken a role where he made is clear on the floor where he is fully supportive. he said what needed to be said. throw sug port there. but privately many other senators are telling us mccon sell working on a deal. mcconnell's aides say no, that's ce tnose things together, you get the sense where someone who thinks he can see the end game, thought i had it a while back and the opportunity for members of congress to disapprove a debt ceiling vote, which is part of the mechanics of hoop jumping legislatively is actually a plus for some tea party members who don't want to be on board right now. second ago, paul ducked under the camera to get to another location. he is another one i was thinking of. when you vote against the debt ceiling but give the president that authority that might be way for everybody to get what they want. it is of course too soon to see how it will factor out. but watching mix mcconnell, you will see someone who gets a sense of how things work and to see how he uses the power he earned all this time. >> chuck you first, w
is a big part of the reason why. before i served in congress, i ran a small business in ohio. i was amazed at;h$ow different washington, d.c. operated than every other business in america, where most american businesses make the hard choices of paying their bills and living within their means, in washington, more spending and more debt is business as usual. i've got news for washington, those days are over. president obama came to congress in january and requested business as usual. he had another routine increase in the national debt, but we in the house said not so fast. he was a president asking for the largest debt increase in history on the heels of the largest spending increase in history. here's what we got from that massive spending binge, a new health care bill most americans didn't ask for, a new spending bill that's more useful for producing material for late night comedians than jobs, and a debt that sparked a crisis without precedent in my lifetime or yours. the united states cannot default on its debt limitations. what we told the president in january was this, the american
the battle on a short term debt ceiling because we can't put together a big one in one week's time. and you noticed the president had no statement in there, "i will veto a short-term debt ceiling." what happened to that? >> he didn't have that. i was wondering if you would allow if you ear in the president's position or advisor, you advised many presidents before. would you not tell him to stand up to his opponents? >> i would not tell the president of the united states to veto a short term debt ceiling. if, as a result, i'm going to throw my country into default over what? the president is willing to accept a clean debt ceiling with nothing. now boehner is going to give a debt ceiling with $1 trillion in cuts. why would he reject the good because it's not the best? >> my advice -- i think, pat, we've had this discussion on the show. pat and i sparred a bit in the last two weeks. i think pat, unfortunately, for the democrats standpoint is right. i don't mean you're right. you're more right this morning than wrong. if the president has to accept a short term plan which is looking more and mo
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they are in crisis mode. a big vote coming this afternoon in the house. members will consider speaker john boehner's debt bill. but even if he can rein in tea party members to get it passed, 51 democratic senators vowed to block it. >> if this debate continues to be driven by the extremes, well, whether we go off the cliff august 2nd or go off the cliff at the end of the year, we'll be at the same place. >> i've got a little rebellion on my hands every day. it comes with the territory. >> you're not worried. >> never let them see you sweat. >> i think we'll end up in a stalemate. i anticipate that the boehner bill will get through the house today after he's pushed his folks kind of hard, and then it will be dead on arrival once it gets to the senate. >> of course, time is running out. default just five days away and things are getting so bad the u.s. treasury is now weighing which bills to pay if the country defaults. michael the correspondent for "washington post," and louise story, according to politico republican leaders are very prepared to say to the president take it or leave it. and if he l
the spending part is a real big issue for a lot of american people. >> isn't it also the issue revenue, michael, they're not just talking about spending. they were talking about revenue when reid said, okay, fine, to the chagrin of some of es, said i'll take revenue off the table. >> what does that tell you, reverend? then you say no, we don't want to do that. >> but what does that tell you? the president has been all over the place without a plan since the beginning of is the year. the fact of the matter is at one point he wanted a clean debt bill, then was willing to accept one. at one point think say we want taxes, and then reid puts out a plan that, yeah, we'll do that. the only consistent argument that has been made is made by republicans saying no to the spending. >> no if it's reid, no if it's boehner, i mean -- >> where it gets back to the plan -- he'll sign it. >> michael, i don't understand how, in the face of the data of the american people is it that the republicans are tone-deaf or just don't care? >> i don't know. >> i don't know what kind of constitution these house republicans b
'm a little bit of a restaurant of history. and there are a lot of real big things that have been gone in this country by executive order. president truman up until this point my favorite president of all times. integrated the armed services by executive order. couldn't get the congress to do it. there seemed to be little support for it my hometown senator left the democratic party buzz he did it and ran for president as a states rider. but the president did it. it was a bold move and as far as i can tell people like colin powell are very thankful that president truman did what he did. >> in the current case let me ask you about the whip count you were the whip and still a great vote counter are you and steny hoyer and nancy pelosi going to give john boehner an exit strategy with some democrat votes since it's clear he doesn't have enough votes just relying on republicans? >> if he were to come to the floor with a bipartisan bill, i think he would get bipartisan support. right now he's running this on his own within his own caucus. he is not involving nancy pelosi or steny hoyer or you
way to do this, traditional way to do this to where we are now which is how big a deficit reduction package should accompany it. >> well, i think as the speaker of the house is discovering tonight, it is the reality we all live with here in washington, lawrence, which is this is a divided government, a two-party system. nobody gets entirely what he or she wants, and yes, if we had been doing this in the normal way as has been historically done, there would have been a clean debt ceiling vote, which has traditionally been unpleasant vote often for members of congress, but routine, noncontroversial, and certainly not tied to any deficit reduction package or any other measure for that matter. what happens is the speaker of the house made clear and republicans in general that they were linking the willingness to raise the debt ceiling to significant deficit reduction. as you know for a long time, we rejected the link, but because we believe we need to reduce our deficit and get our debt under control. we also worked concurrently as we moved through the spring and into the summer on prop
mean, it ain't $4.7 trillion. you know how big this is? this is bigger than the health care bill and the stimulus package two times over. this is the largest can cut that's ever been proposed by any president in the history of the united states. and boehner turned it down. now, you tell me, do you think they really want to do a deal? now, this ship has left the harbor. but at a time, this is where the president was ready to go. and to visualize that and what it means to the american people is amazing. and what does boehner do? he comes back on national television and says that it's president obama who is creating the crisis atmosphere. >> obviously, i expect that bill can and will pass the senate and be sent to the president for a signature. and if the president signs it, the crisis atmosphere that he has created will simply disappear. >> let's see. i've never written one of these before. four -- how do you do that? do you just put a point there or do you do that? i've never written one this big. four point seven trillion and zero dollars, right? they turned that down. nancy pelo
the possibility of doing something bigger. >> look, here's where things stand. there are three different big deals out there. number one is what the president and speaker boehner and eric cantor are negotiating, which is, yes, a big deal that is separate from anything the gang of six in the senate is working on. and then of course there's mcconnell-reid. one thing that's going on in the last 24 to 48 hours, is any deal that's mcconnell-reid that includes this idea of sort of the disapproval vote, giving the president more power to raise the debt ceiling, that thing has grown to the point of almost being toxic with some house republicans. in fact, they hate it so much, they may prefer to negotiate with the president directly. but for the white house, getting the 217 means making a deal acceptable to at least some of those houses with 87 new members. the man who's made himself their standard bearer, majority leader eric cantor put it this way. >> one-third of the republican conference and one-quarter of the entire house of representatives are freshmen, they're new. many of them have never served in
. the white house rejects any sort of nine-month option. despite the drama, is a big deal still in the cards? and as thing keeps reeling, proof congress is broken beyond repair. some say this congress is the worst ever and he's seen lots and lots of bad ones. >>> to the iowa straw poll break the back of a campaign? sure looks like it. tim pawlenty and michele bachmann going toe to toe lashing out at each other. >>> good morning. this is "the daily rundown," i'm which t chuck todd. >>> house speaker john boehner and harry reid have separate plans in the works to raise the debt ceiling before next tuesday's deadline. house republicans are flat out dismissive of reid's plan for a $2.7 trillion cut since a trillion of the cuts are not really new but simply counting the saving from the wind down of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. senate republicans say reid was with them on a two-step increase process, but that the white house shot that down. and the white house says it's all up to boehner to find a way forward. now, pressure is mounting, so is anxiety over the markets. here's white house chief
about doing that are very dramatic. i think there's still time to get something big done. the president's made it clear he wants to do something substantial. you know, when you look in the past at agreements between divided government, it's taken leadership on both sides. it took reagan and o'neil, it took clinton and gingrich. the president is out there, he's willing to do it. he said it in the "state of the union," he said it in the budget. the question is do we have a partner to work with? and i hope the answer is yes. >> but you suspect it may not be yes. >> leadership requires a partner. >> mr. lew, thank you very much. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> joining me is assistant majority leader of the senate, democrat dick durbin of illinois, and republican senator from south carolina, author of "the great american awakening: two years that changed america, washington and me," senator jim demint. welcome both. >> thank you. >> good morning. thank you. >> tim geithner, treasury secretary, was here last sunday. i asked him about this ongoing deliberation, and he was emphatic about
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